On the other hand I have a feeling this is going to be an age discrimination lawsuit happening as soon as they figure out no one over the age of 30 is being hired for a flight attendant. Young people / College students have an ability to enjoy activities that are very cheap / free. They are not hired to be sex symbols and keep men sexually entertained through out the flight; therefore, I could care less how old you are as long as you can save my life in the event of an emergency. Right now I believe there are more pilots than are needed. Well what about Maintenance. There will be scheduled 1% pay raises on September 15, 2023, and September 15, 2024. I would have loved an opportunity like this. The airline should do fine, at least up to a certain scale. On the small regional hops, inexperience is almost the default. No thank you! At 55 min, it seems like a part time job. I can't always trust a computer system to give me the perks or pay attention to the details I care about. 1. This is Slave wages but should we be surprised this is coming from the same CEO that says Masks are for Morons so all the hard working front line workers that have lost their lives that were wearing masks trying to save folks lives.His mouth has spoken and I have listened on how I will spend my airline travel dollars and it wont be on Breeze. The starting and long-term salaries offered by Breeze Airway are as follows for First Officers and Captains: First Officers: $55 an hour raise to $94 an hour by the sixth year of employment, Captains: $117 an hour raised to $143 an hour by year six of flying with the company. But it may be a great opportunity for some as I said for 1-2 years for a young person. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? Rebook or cancel up to 15 minutes prior to scheduled departure without penalty. Yeah.let us be honest.A 25 year veteran flight attendant is not someone most of us want on a flight. Do you want your pilots to be the bottom of the barrel? These numbers are minimums. It seems their target is laid off pilots from Regionals that either furloughed them or the regionals that went under outright. I suppose you're also going to apply the company town line to the internships that MIcrosoft, Google, and many other corporations have going for aspiring developers. Flying for these rates sets a bad precedent for the rest of the industry. Vote. Its schedule, price, loyalty program. However, in reality thats not hugely different than the schedules that flight attendants work at other airlines full time. CORRECTION for the above; should be as follows: - like airlines based in countries that still allow for hiring and firing based on age., Apologies for the error! I think the deal is too good to be true while others think it's chump change and will never work. Everyone should apply. Nice. Pilots from Compass and Expressjet will flock to Breeze to maintain currency. I hope he's prepared to pay pilots a real premium, otherwise why go to a startup when the legacies will be hiring big-time. You get what you pay for folks! You could sit around half a day, everyday, and not get paid for it. Breeze has promised to pay flight attendants a fixed monthly rate of $1,200, alongside an annual bursary of $6,000 and free shared company accommodation. Unions. Attn: Airline Pilot Central I interviewed with them for cabin crew You must be enrolled at Utah Valley University full-time and maintain 3.0 GPA. They cost a lot to train up and cost a lot to manage. anything less than market rate? New or retreads? I can just imagine the sick calls on the weekends. Interesting model. "The price of food is so high, they should be grateful!". It's quite likely that Breeze wants the low minimum guarantee of 55 so that they can shrink their capacity in the low-demand months without paying pilots to sit. This is a disappointment in many ways. It's funny, isn't it the view of things changes upon where you're standing. but if your salary stays low, you cannot build a family. It's that, or FO Adam absolutely nailed it. Glassdoor provides our best prediction for total pay in today's job market, along with other types of pay like cash bonuses, stock bonuses, profit sharing, sales commissions, and tips. The average pilot will make more than this. I wish more airlines provided housing options. This business model shows that there is still tremendous opportunity to drive down wring out costs in flying. These comments are something else. Welcome! There are many young people that lack the $$ or choose not to go into debt (student loan/s) for a traditional higher education. Considering that airlines pay for very expensive training twice a year, this tactic may prove more expensive in the long run. Breeze's schedule is likely to have heavy seasonal flex. Classes are 100% online. And I'm not convinced a bright college student can't get the job done. This is absolutely exploitive. The corporate-provided housing actually sounds like an appealing thing for many college students. *No insurance provided. Find Salaries Clear All pilots from the majors who took retirement might jump at the chance to fly again. I would have jumped at this deal in college. Because expanding the monthly rate to 75+ is done so much easier and instant, than hirring another 200 pilots or so. What follows then is a vast amount of turnover which, in itself, compromises safety. New airplane, new business model. Your speculation about how Breeze flight attendant will or will not make ends meet is rank speculation. This same thing happened in Brazil with Azul. Ive written in the past about Breezes controversial approach to hiring flight attendants, which requires being enrolled in college and living in company housing. 4) $6,000 annually towards my tuition! Obviously, a lot of people are not aware of what a flight attendant's role is (listen up Neeleman). This is not to fault or say any of my peers who's airlines have gone defunct (through no doing of their own) are underskilled pilots - they are well seasoned vets of an industry that was finally recovering from 9/11, the recession, age 65 rule and now COVID. Which means, the flight attendant occupation is DIRECTLY responsible for marketing the company to the public. its entrepreneurs and change-makers. Having been a flight attendant I can tell you 15 days is not part time. 35 developed countries around the world have better healthcare than the USA and many of them don't leave their citizens without a safety net. @Ben L. exhibiting developmental delay for snark: that's concerning. This is a prime example of how capitalism is at the cancer stage in the United States, and rapidly approaching stage 4. If not the comparison is poor. No person interactions. Id be interested in knowing more about the contents and cost of flight attendant training programs. (E-190) Young, unattached, few opportunities, and committed to finishing school in 4 years. I make it to one-on-one video interview and was told I was too old to join program. Yep.when there is an emergency on board and seconds or mistakes can mean the difference between life and death, what I want is a bunch of 20 something overgrown teenagers with absolutely no investment in their jobs in charge! This might work at Breeze for now given the state of the airline industry, but somethings gotta give over time here. Launching an airline carrier during a pandemic when aviation losses are in the billions, seems to be a tricky business proposition. I'm sure Breeze will find plenty of young, naive college students who sign up for this, not realizing what they are getting themselves into. PEOPLExpress anyone? Yes, they are using and abusing us. Most helpful comments ( as chosen by the OMAAT community ). Lots of opinion injected here but believe me they do not have a shortage of applications. Sounds pretty abysmal. An airline that keeps harassing me with upsell offers on my purchase? These skills are essential for them to be able to take the next step in their careers and lives. How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? An airline, perfect for SLC. Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. The wont to have pilots on there books, but wont have at the beginnig a lot of flightsSo from a business point it makes sence to have more pilots who only fligh 55h instead of having less pilots with 75h. They are exploiting pilots. Neeleman is begging for a pilot union to quickly form on his new airline, whether he knows it or not. Aviation is amazing!! I worked my way through college and I would have LOVED to have free housing provided. May be this a good business model. This is how young doctors learn their craft in America and all over the world. Reactions: Karee. Profitability is how many dollars you make your investors, i.e. Some will likely say that Breeze Airways proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, with so many pilots furloughed or laid off. Love! May be this a good business model. No Per Diem. Unfortunatetly, US travel and passenger fare remains an uncertainty. Almost every airline has it in the agreement that upon graduation from FA training you have to get yourself to whatever base they need crew at. It gets so tiresome. This article mentions and quotes minimum monthly guarantee, but fails to show the pay for picking up extra flying. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. Heres SkyWests Embraer 170 pilot pay scale (this is a significantly smaller plane): Again, the catch with regional airlines is that pilots typically work here for a few years before applying for a job with one of the major airlines. As far as "part-time", pilots are "at work" 300 to 400 hours per month in order to fly 80 hours. The comments on this page have not been provided, reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any advertiser, and it is not an advertiser's responsibility to ensure posts and/or questions are answered. Can the U.S. not have just one decent, heck even mediocre, airline? Just the other day, the neighborhood Japanese restaurant is using robots to deliver food. Our business address is: @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. Be honest. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. Are they taking advantage of the pilot supply right nowprobably so, because they can, but to claim they're being "exploitative" is a stretch in my opinion. Almost every airline has it in the @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. As an MD and introducing herself to patients as "Doctor", her salary started at about $30,000. Log in or . This was the skybus business plan. I already feel bad for the disadvantaged kids that will end up getting wrangled into this to help pay for a couple semesters of college. That sounds part time and probably better since you are getting paid for all of your time. I'm a flight attendant for JetBlue Airways and I make $56 per hour, that is, after 15 years but still. And that doesn't include per diem. When I met my wife, she wanted to be a physical therapist. This might work in the short-term, but the moment that demand recovers, the airline is going to have to significantly increase pay, or it will risk having pilots leave in droves. your username . 3) Solid work experience in my chosen industry! Partying and hanging out with friends is what college students are supposed to be doing. For the right crewmember this could be an excellent opportunity. What Are Redeye Flights? No other large country trains and hires their airline pilots the way we do. I'm a 'union guy' for sure. Neeleman is known for building airlines with great cultures, but I kind of have a hard time getting behind this whole concept at Breeze. Does this really qualify as an "internship"? At 5 bucks an hour. Then there are the wages and hours questions. I'm nearing ATP mins as a CFI and it looks interesting. It will be interesting to see how it plays out for sure. Thanks for being transparent that these comments are nearly all from a union organizing push before the airline even launches. We pay the least to all our staff! 2) housing: I am curious what housing? Frankly Im somewhere in the middle here. Or what if you decide to get children? NGPA Expo - February 9-10 in PSP Booth 525, Women in Aviation - February 23-25 in LGB - Booth 549, TPNx April 21-22 in MCO, Currently hiring E190/195 and A220 First Officers, E190/195 Captains, and Australian Pilots that hold or have previously held an E-3 visa, New hire classes every month for the E190/195 and A220, Scheduled passenger service on the E190/195 flying consists of day trips (no overnights) with limited flying on Tuesday and Wednesday, Charter business is very robust on the E190/195 Charter flights may operate any day of the week, A220 operates a traditional schedule 7 days per week, Significant growth and expansion planned over the next 5 years, Breeze flies to 30+ cities from coast to coast, Eight A220s delivered as of August 2022 - 73 more to be delivered and options for 40 more, Ejet fleet projected to grow to 30 by 2025, A220 fleet is projected to grow to nearly 60 by the end of 2025, A new training center opened in SLC with one E190/195 simulator and one A220 simulator, $200 million in funding was raised in August of 2021. Not how youd describe most 70-year-olds. A cult, . I am over the moon thrilled! of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. Therefor your flight attendant is going to be exhausted/probably not happy and definitely not rested enough to perform optimally in an emergency. People may weigh each differently but those are the top three for nearly all travelers. If its actually cheaper and leg room isnt a total disaster, their planes will be full. Clearly Breeze has already figured out that people who fall into their trap will regret their circumstances; that's why Breeze is also making them sign a 4-year contract. All rights reserved. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. They relentlessly play the fear card, citing safety or at times implicitly threatening your safety. My view is something of a combination of many of the other posts. @Robert. Do you see 50 yo or 70 yo lifeguards on the beach? Keep working at it, maybe you'll can find an unpaid internship on Arsenio. I'm nearing ATP mins as a CFI and it looks interesting. Ability and respect is earned. Highest paying job titles at Breeze Airways include Back-End Software Engineer, Director, Financial Reporting, and Technical Program Manager Total value of jobs: $12,985,000 Total Jobs: 3. Mar 23, 2022 Most people care about price and reasonably courtesy interactions. We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. It's not like America's legacy airlines are immune to hiring very young, very inexperienced people. They better start changing the pilot pay or pilots will start leaving to China and make real time money up there . You seem to be an angry young man. I considered myself a professional and definitely grew with my profession.. All union issues aside I find it interesting that he has singled out the flight attendants specifically.. Nobody even knows what the work culture, training will be like at this startup, yet look at all of the certainty in these comments already. The pay is horrifically low, though. What sets Breeze Airways hourly salaries apart is the monthly hourly guarantee, which is only 55 hours, or at most, $7,865 per month before taxes (for Captains in their sixth year). Its not gonna work. I think the deal is too good to be true while others think it's chump change and will never work. I will never fly them, nor will I encourage anyone to work for them or fly them, until they pay real, market rates. 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. Individuals can't afford premiums. With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. I will be marching tomorrow on May Day for an egalitarian communist revolution with hundreds of myvworking class comrades in Brooklyn. Are they being put up in an extended stay type compound? And its our fault. Sounds awfully low especially with a 55-hour minimum pay. Rude, Fat-Fugly, Nasty, Filthy, Unfit. People can't really be this stupid. They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. Because it is an opportunity to teach them the skills to land a career or job that they would not have otherwise had a chance for. You don't get any insurances. It's exactly what I have been saying for years. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card Ben Schlappig Published: April 29, 2021 Updated: August 12, 2022 99 With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. You should be too. Interesting, @EMBCAPTN. Whats my take? My only other option right now is to start all over at another regional where the pay, seniority, and quality of life will be much lower. Fly for less money and less stress. Think lifeguards. Criticizing workers for lack of professional ambition is part of our toxic "professional achievement & success, income as identity" culture, especially where there are so many ways to live fulfilling lives that are not defined by constant growth of income. He learned his trade at the knee of Mitt Romney. AFTER 4 YEARS YOUR CONTRACT IS OVER AND CANNOT BE RENEWED. They both seem to have similar business models, but SW has really gotten expensive in some markets these past few years. And there are always plenty more ready to come into the pipeline. Just wondering if there will be many legal challenges here? The downside for me, and they exist in almost all arrangements, is the unknown as to whether we'll have health insurance. There are highly educated older people sitting around and posting on onemileatatime.com somewhat bored while a high-earning spouse pulls down a large salary. Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. maximum takeoff weight), Note: PIC is defined as Captain or Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls, Valid FCC Radiotelephone Operators Permit, Must have or be able to obtain a valid U.S. drivers license, Must have or be able to obtain a valid passport, Must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States, Must pass a DOT pre-employment drug test, Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, MyIDTravel (preferred), or list at the gate, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours. Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. I dwelled on my sad fate at length. A hundred years ago, Kendor would be talking about the joys of working one's way up from being a frontline Pinkerton goon to the guy commanding a whole squad of goons. 2) Free Travel! Sure, theres the free market, but this also seems borderline exploitative. Breeze Airways PAYSCALES CAPTAIN PAY SCALE (Hourly) FIRST OFFICER PAY SCALE (Hourly) PAY CALCULATOR (Click and drag the sliders) Pay Rate: $150 Credit Time: 75 Hours Bid Periods: 1 Percentage: 1 $11,250 PAY NOTES Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours PER DIEM Scheduled pay raises: Yearly