I dont believe turtle ranch and other ranches are only making a few thousand dollars on hunts. Maybe proper land management in drought years and a reduction of both Elk and Cattle would be a more palatable solution? By the same token, bring in beavers to build dams to flood the ground seasonally. We manage our herd by offering management hunts to continually improve genetics resulting in wide, deep-forked mule deer and whitetail deer bucks. So quit killing wolves and mountain lions, let them take care of some of the elk. Wyoming Hunting Packages. You people are sick. The majority of our outfitting revenue is driven by non-resident hunters, McCarty said. My wife and I would love to hunt elk but we cannot afford it. 7) rancher cries out for damages, gets paid handsomely by game and fish I live in northern Colorado and they have been spotted in Larimer and Jackson Counties. With over 33,144+/- deeded acres and 54,373+/- leased acres located within the best of Wyoming's wide-open spaces. Credit Solution Experts Incorporated offers quality business credit building services, which includes an easy step-by-step system designed for helping clients build their business credit effortlessly. that was the old generation the beautiful people. The ranch is located outside of Weston, WY in the northeast corner of the State. So why is it the rest of the people paying for your land locked public and over priced guided hunts. The late season hunt in unit 61 has plenty of public land outside the wilderness to hunt. Access no money is the biggest farce perpetrated on Wyoming hunters in history! But he knows those options will never be popular. Hense cows. I am not trying to burn any bridges here and for our sake our livelihoods bring the Wolves back cause they Will only ensure the survival of the Elk and I know I like to Hunt. No success. The answer is simple, illegalize outfitting and these damage payments. The elk stay in these tremendously large herds almost year-round. What Im trying to say that it is normal to reimburse the landowner for a permanent or semi-permanent easement for any number of purposes. Here easy fix. But now, almost every day, our top concern starts with elk.. Jeff recommended that I apply in Wyoming for a unit 7 type 1 elk tag, and if I drew, he recommended that I go hunting with Dax McCarty and Wagonhound Outfitters located outside of Douglas, Wyoming. Come enjoy the fall colors and the beauty of the ranch while experiencing one of the most spectacular sights in nature, the Rocky Mountain Elk rut. The Game and Fish would manage selections and the hunt. Across the West, state wildlife management agencies have struggled to knock back herd numbers, especially in places where the adaptable animals have learned to take refuge on private property, away from public lands hunters. More by Mike Koshmrl, Your email address will not be published. *Individual commenters are limited to three comments per story, including replies. What is CBD? Not nature. The Elk were here before the Ranchers. Ive been in the woods, seen the packs prints scattering the elk from their early mornings beds. Laramie Peak/Muddy Mountain Herd, which has averaged somewhere between double and triple, hunt planning website geared toward public land hunters, willing to fork over as much as $12,000 to $16,000, granting Wyoming residents a higher percentage, state-administered hunting management program, State investigates massive methane release, With budget, governor, Legislature land on same fiscal page, Legislative committee meets behind closed doors with railroad, Wyomings soon-to-drop shed hunting rules set new precedent, Proudly powered by Newspack by Automattic. Human hunters are NOT the reason for the elk decrease in Yellowstone and Wyoming. Im sure that [elk are] likely to hang there longer because they dont get interacted with much, he said. It only takes a few to ruin it for the rest of us. Both sides need to compromise if they dont want to then all damage payments should stop. Along with their 5 children and dedicated employees they have built a successful business, from the ground up. Not possible??? THE GAME IS SO FAR OUT OF REACH FOR THE AVERAGE HUNTERS AND OR DISABLED PEOPLE WHO WISH TO HUNT DEEP OFF THE ROADS THAT NEEDS MOBILE VEHICLES UTV,ATV PERMITS RATHER A RESIDENT OR NON-RESIDENT (TO GET NEAR A GOOD HUNTING LOCATION AND PARK TO WALK A SHORT DISTANCE) THIS CANT BE ESTABLISH WITH THE PRESENT VEHICLES USAGE TERMS OF STATE AND LOCAL OUTLINED FOR PUBLIC, STATE AND FEDERAL LANDS MANAGEMENTS AREAS TO GET TO MANY GAME AREAS. 2) ranchers fight like heck to keep the public off these federally owned lands That is, if youve left enough forage and clean water sources for the wildlife. I have also observed over the years the sage brush has diminished which I believe has had an impact on sage grouse. Why would they when they can sell the hunts and then also get paid for the crop loss. We are located in the Laramie Mountain Range, 30 miles West of Wheatland, Wyoming. P.O. Remember, if the tract of tax payer funded public land doesnt touch a road, it cant be hunted. I believe the state would rather waste more tax payer dollars saying it will be difficult to do than changing a few rules and selling more tags! It cant be both. I do not feel bad about the over population of elk and what the elk do to their hay fields. They are used to hunters on public lso they move to private when they are pressured. This is a typical land owner complaining about a problem but not allowing access. Nevertheless, the Laramie Mountains remain renowned for producing trophy-class bull elk. I know because I hunt it! Thanks for the opportunity to speak. Down Highway 94 south of Douglas toward diminutive Esterbrook, Dax McCarty manages the hunting operations on the massive Wagonhound Ranch, owned by investment banker Art Nicholas. $35,000,000. were fed up with the exclusive use of elk as a profit maker and fed up with your little buddy-buddy relationship with the outfitters. Our wolves? They are hell bent on getting rid of wolves to protect their cattle from the occasional wolf foray at calving time. 4) wildlife has no where else to go other then the lush private ground, which was allowed to rest and recover while the rancher abused the public land At reasonable tag fees. Years ago in the Cokeville deprivation payments were limited or not paid to any property owners who did not allow a reasonable number of hunters from the general public to hunt on their property. If there is no public access there should be no deprivation money. That reform enjoyed unanimous support while it was being studied at the task-force level. VIETNAM VETERAN U.S. ARMY RETD PROUD AMERICAN PATRIOT. What you may not of known, though, Sy, is that elk were here long before the rancher and his cattle. The antelope hunting is from permanent blinds by water holes, with shots of 12-20 yards. bdc loan default / 1440 daily digest unsubscribe / 1440 daily digest unsubscribe Peterson, who lives in Daniel and Decatur, Texas, appeared via video conference Monday, Aug. 9, for her Sublette County Circuit Court arraignment. Spring bear hunts in Wyoming take place in May or until the quota fills. Together, Jeff and Deb started Seven J Outfitters. were fed up with you trying to block legal access to public land. Its not good. 5.) Well if the game and fish along with land owners would come to an agreement, increase the number of non residents licenses. It is also so easy to fix. If we cant find a solution desease in our herds soon will. It was exactly what I dreamed it might be. The Ranch is a 20,000+ acre privately owned outfitting and cattle Ranch. Offering both archery and rifle hunts, you will see a lot of animals and have a great opportunity to bring home a trophy. My family and I went to hunt, fish, horseback ride and relax in the spa. While on a hunt with us you will be with an experienced professional guide who will work to make . Wolves worked. I think if the land owners would kill twenty cows or calves with public hunters they should be issued one general tag, kill the cows this year get extra tags next year 100. Base the number of permits by a percentage related to the number of animals that Landowner deals with on their private property . It screws up everything for everybody. These same whiners are more than happy to cash their damage checks though. The current system, in Bonanders view, is working. The landowners out there that are really angry are really angry, and what weve done to them needs to be reconsidered, Gilliland told fellow members of the Wyoming Wildlife Taskforce in March. If you want to regulate the number of people on the ranches just issue tags per ranch or ranches based on the size of the ranch or multiple ranchs in a give area. This swath of the Rockies eastern front reaches from Laramie to Casper, home to the Laramie Peak/Muddy Mountain Herd, which has averaged somewhere between double and triple Game and Fishs 5,000-elk objective. First Class Hunts. Here is what I see happening. My wife and I have a small hay operation near Livingston Montana putting up about 3500 small bales of alfalfa grass hay. Oh waitthese people have killed most of their wolves and now they dont like the result. Not cool. To top that off, the welfare cattlemen run their livestock for pennies on the public ground, eating all of the forage and leaving nothing left for the wildlife other then cow patties and degraded stream beds. Hunters will be using blinds and tree stands. We hunted Turtle Rock one day in 2020. It was the last of his ranch jobs. The outfitters are making money a the expense of the private landowners and taxpayers. Yet their families, friends and public employed seem to be allowed in. 2023 Hunting Information . Tom- the northern herd of Elk in Yellowstone was in serious need of depopulation. I would suggest that you look into hunters from around your state that will use the meat and some from other states to reduce the number of cows . This Laramie elk herd matter is a PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHT issue above all else and the private landowners do control access to THEIR PRIVATE LAND they also have the right to control how their PRIVATE LAND is grazed and to control predators on their land. About 100 a year get permission from the family, he said, and another 225 or so have access to certain parts of the ranch through a state-administered hunting management program. be warned, were bringing the fight to you and in fact, some of us well even fight you right in the middle of the field. I hope thousands more Elk and Deer and Buffalo and whatever other wildlife finds its way to your ranch prevails and maybe you should just live in the city with the rest of the human infestation. Those monies being paid out for damages belong to the people not the government. There is a very clear issue with access to private land. As a Wyoming taxpayer and donator to many wildlife causes, I dont appreciate the fact that Outfitters even exist in our state. 5) rancher cries about all the elk yet, when the neighbor kid asks for permission to hunt, nope is all they get For a cattle rancher, coexisting with an abundance of elk isnt easy. How petty are these ranchers that have a conniption when people corner cross from public land to public land? The state and Wyoming game and fish should smarten up and not keep giving out money to these ranchers for fence destruction or hay loss. WEENING AND SCREENING CAN ONLY TAKE PLACE WHEN ALL AREAS ARE SUBJECTED TO THE SAME HUNT SYSTEM NOT BE SEPARATED AS SUCH.THE STATE, FEDERAL AND PRIVATE SECTORS SHOULD SIT IN CLOSED COUNCIL AND RETHINK YOUR OPTIONS OR YOUR FACING A TOTAL OVERRUN OF PREY OVER PREYER, THEN CRONIC WASTE DECEASE WILL SPREAD TO A GREATER LEVEL IN WILD GAME AND SOON DOMESTIC ANIMALS. SCATTERING HERDS IS IMPOSSIBLE WHEN YOU RESTRICT ROVING LANDS FROM THE HUNTERS. I think that the game and fish should assign over populated ranches to hunters. Want to join the discussion?