I was thinking of bending my irons 3 degrees stronger as my ball flights were too high, but then there would be a big gap to fill between the pitching wedge and the gap wedge, and potentially more side effects of bending the clubs then. Typical launch angle would improve from 13-14* to 17-18*. You get to replace the 4 iron thats gone with something you can get in the air. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Whether you can still hit the ball in the air and make good contact is dependent on your swing. Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver The bend overlap in angle iron will be bigger so you need to allow for a 1/2 inch. My name is Justin and I am a PGA Golf Professional. Driver: TM 300 Mini 11.5*, Tour Blue 85 X, 44" -or- Cobra Fly-Z+, Phenom NL 60 X, 44.5", 3w:King LTD, Aldila RIP Beta 90 X -or- TM Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X We also see these players having gapping issues with a mid iron, not just 4 and 5 like your example, so adding loft achieves better gapping as well. I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. I am constantly amazed at how many golfers are trying to play the game with a fundamentally unsound hold of the club. Yes, the T200 can be bent 2 degrees flat and beyond 2 degrees upright Titleist manufactures heads 2 degrees upright which can be bent up to a further 2 degrees i.e up to 4 degrees from standard Please sign in to comment TUser January 21, 2020 at 08:09 AM Along the same lines, I got my new T200 irons late last year. So, if you really want to get better at golf, start by learning how to hold the club properly. How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? 2023 Acushnet Company. I am purchasing new irons and am seriously considering getting the lofts 2* weak to create a 48* PW and 4* loft spacing. SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerLW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerXW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger steppedPutter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. pic.twitter.com/dNhfPEcR4F https://t.co/Talvwe7Kng. I know its different for each golfer depending on their individual characteristics but do you have rough numbers (for iron set) to be looking for in terms of launch angle, spin rate etc. The JPX-825 Pro's are all 1 degree stronger than the MP-H5's. So, I was thinking that I would have the new iron bent one degree strong so that it fits with the rest of my set. Even forged clubheads made of the wrong steel . What I havent seen mentioned is that iron shafts have changed a great deal and offer more low kick (higher launch/spin) options to be able to match with those lofts. I know that for every degree strong I bend it, it will take a degree off the bounce. You can post now and register later. How Long Do They Last, Driving Iron Advantages and Disadvantages, You are using clubs that are too tall for you (easy fix is to change the shaft length), You stand far away from the golf ball when making a swing. If you are a true sweeper that may be ok but you may not see that big distance gain you are hoping for. of distance, and more playable iron trajectories. (more on this down below). This will give you a low-to-mid-range straight shot. Endycotts weakness so far seems to be the driver, and with his stats suggesting he recovers well top-15 for approaches in recorded events this non-penal track should suit. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. But loft is a much more important factor in fitting. The risk that the club will break at the hosel is too high. Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? Any knowledge on the subject would be appreciated. Your email address will not be published. However, recent form has shown the real Grant, with back-to-back class efforts at Torrey Pines and Pebble Beach, where at the former he led an elite field after a first-round 64. I am not sure exactly what you are asking with the final 2 questions, are you asking should the 5 and 7 iron have the same launch conditions as the 6 iron, or would there be any issues if your 5 iron or the 7 iron launched like the ideal conditions for the 6 iron? A long iron doesn't have much bounce anyway since it was made to not take a big divot. May 20, 2016 at 10:43 AM I do know a typical modern club the PW has the loft of like an older blade 8 iron. Im 62 and most GI clubs are too long even for me in their stock iteration with this progressive shaft lengths concept. Long story short, I'm about to have the 5,6,7,8 iron bent 2 degrees weaker, 9 iron 1 degree weaker, and AW 1 degree stronger. The new era of stronger lofts is all about how far to hit 7 iron vs how close to hit 7 iron and more accurate. TaylorMade M2 (2016) 9.5* (2* lower) HZRDUS T1100 75g 6.5 Step 1 for those golfers is to increase ball speed. Pasted as rich text. Say you have a modern set that is 3-PW, 19*-45*. Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). He is also 1 of 33 TrackMan Masters in the world, and has completed thousands of successful fittings using TrackMan. Still many worries about bending lofts due to bounce changes, and many also thinkthat shafts can lift or lower ball flight by changing dynamic loft, but without anything happening to bounce, but that cant be prevented, bounce always follows loft no matter if loft was changed due to bending, angle of attack, or adifferent shaft, all 3 scenarios has the same changes. 10.5 set at small - Adams A12 19 - Fuji HB 80X, PXG 0311X 4 - HZRDUS Red 105 X How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? Not a dispute with the OP, maybe even validation, but what about head style? It is common for a golfer with a swing speed of 70-to-80 mph or less to hit the ball with a lower trajectory than what is considered ideal. The 27-year-old made his way onto the top level by virtue of his performance on the Korn Ferry Tour during the combined Covid seasons, and hes doing a great job in honing his craft. The Topgolf Blue Flag Challenge: Can you go 5-for-5 from 155 yards? Maybe its conceptually challenging but when all sets came 3-PW with heads the size of your pinky-toe, golfers either left their 3 iron home or just used it for low punch shots back to the fairway; back then, a well-hit 6 iron would outdistance an over-muscled 3 iron seven times out of 10. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. with more loft than its designed for, so he cant go wrong by bending heads stronger. Thats why I custom order iron sets with lofts that are 1-to-2 degrees weaker than standard about 40 percent of the time. The refit yielded a super driving iron. An ideal Launch Angle and Spin Rate for a Ball Speed with a 6 iron of 115 MPH would be right about 15-16* and 6000 RPMs respectively. You cannot paste images directly. My advice would be to start by making sure the lofts are set to manufacturers specs. I play high bounce Ping G30's and have bent some of the clubs in that set that strong. You dont need to bend the clubs. Taking the destructive shot out of your game is key. Sign up to receive product offers and news! More is not always better, but I would expect nothing less from a fitter at Carls Golfland. With the high bounce level of the stock G30's, losing some of that bounce by bending it strong is no sweat, but plenty of clubs have so little bounce that bending them strong leaves virtually nothing left in the bounce department, but bounce really only helps if you strike the ball a little on the fat side. The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. Product Instructions & Manuals most amateurs like to hit the long ball not the low score. And the opposite is true as the speed drops. I was a little worried I might notice the offset or have trouble with hitting them fat, but they look perfect and play like they should. Craig, If so why mess with perfection. Paste as plain text instead, Hi everyone, sorry for the slow reply! Your golf ball starts off towards the left of your target (right for lefties). Editors note: This article is in collaboration with Shot Scope. well unfortunately people buy clubs based on their ego and the club manufactures feed it. Will the clubs dig more or enough to tell a difference? This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. You hit the golf ball off of the heel of the club often causing the golf ball to hook or pull, You are playing clubs too short for you (again. Hi! Yes, thats essentially what Im asking. -How much do you vary on club delivery for Angle or attack and Dynamic loft? Working through the grades, hisdebut, five-shot victory on the KFT,was backed up with a pair of top-10s and two-top-20s, easily enough to nab his PGA Tour card for 2022/23. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! Upload or insert images from URL. I've never had a sand wedge bent. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. In between, the Aussie came home fast to be 18th in Cam Smiths Australian PGA, and although he missed the cut at his home Open, sat in the top-10 after an opening 65. Bottom line: bending 2* strong may or may not cause issues. More photos from the event here. (others have mentioned) I went to GG with my pops and hit the speedblade 9i for sheets and was hitting them 165-170why? Club Repair Seminar shows golfers the importance of checking the specs.. One good example comes to mind. Started Thursday at 03:24 PM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here. would 2 degrees be too much and change the club's characteristics too much? In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. Ping G30 irons w/Recoil 95 Just about every club that leaves the factory won't be 100% spot on for loft, manufacturing tolerances are going to throw that out. So, it is my contention that conditions on the course often vary much more than changing the dynamics of a club by a degree or two. And here is why. So the assumption is that the loft alone is what is creating more distance with the new irons. TM TP UDi #1 w/ Diamana I think that makes a difference. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. What still kills me are the guys coming in and demanding a lower lofted driver thinking it will give them more distance. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I am a club fitter also and see this every day. if we move from a "high launch" to a Low launch shaft, who reduce loft by 2* we also lost 2* bounce. And visa versa, if the original bounce is low and/or the club has a sharp leading edge, the reduction in bounce may have a significant impact on playability. Thats basically what companies are doing anyway. Novak has made five cuts from seven starts since qualifying, with the most significant results being 17th in Bermuda (another wind-affected coastal course) 12th at the much higher-grade Sony Open and 29th at last weeks Honda Classic. I showed him all the stats on the monitor and he was in agreement but when it came to buying the actual driver he insisted on buying the 9.5 head with the TP after all the work on the launch monitor. Thanks for everybody for your help! I know for people with slower swing speeds these crazy lofted, ultimate SGI irons are perfect. Clear editor. Strengthening loft also increases the offset of the head. probably best to just change the shaft length), You stand tall over the golf ball when swinging, Your golf ball starts towards the right of your target (left for lefties), You hit the golf ball off the toe of the cub more often causing the clubface to open up and create push or slice. But if a high spin player gets a 15 launch and 6000 RPM with a 115 MPH ball speed with a 5-iron, then whats wrong with that? The GI/SGI clubs are basically directed to help players with lesser abilities to hit the golf ball, usually that also means lower swing speeds. Srixon Q-Star Tour / 2. :-). A flat lie angle is simply when the heel of the golf club is bent so it is higher than the toe. Bounce means nothing. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. TaylorMade Rsi TP 3-PW (1.5* strong) NS-Pro MOdus 3 tour130 X See below the make percentage for an average golfer from varying distances. Backups:Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. The average golfer hits a 7-iron to around 30 yards from the pin. JavaScript is disabled. Club fitters are able to bend clubs to increase or decrease the lie angle using a loft, lie bending machine. Thankfully gone are the days of everyone demanding s300 S or X when they dont have the swing speed to support them. What does the average golfer look like? Well break down what the average golfer (male golfer) looks like and offers data that can be used to benchmark your game against. It would decrease the bounce on each club, not a good idea, as well as it would cause the ball to go farther. You can be assured there is not a single successful player in the professional ranks who does not have a fundamentally sound grip on the club. Sounds like it's a long iron. In my experience I have seen guys in the 8-14 handicap range with moderate ball speed try X Hot irons, and see much better results with the Rocketbladez. The fact remains that only stronger, faster swings can support lower lofts. Ping G410 LST 3 Wood Oban Tour Prototype V430 I found it astonishing that by moving my hands that much forward at impact gain nearly 30 yards. Shane Lowry on the new Srixon ZX Mk II line (fairway wood, utility, ZX5/ZX7 irons). Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. Custom Edel E-3 Putter. Routinely, I notice longer than standard 85g shafts with these sets. It is very easy to do these modifications, and also recommended by a lot of folks to have your set checked either frequently or at the end of each year in case any changes happened during the season from general play. Pros and cons? The market is fascinating this week, with world number 376 Andrew Novak leading the field. I did the math on these numbers years ago when I had an early release and wondering why I could not hit the irons very far. What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? The decision wasn't about distance it was about gapping. Like you said, it will change the bounce but other than that, it wont change much and shouldnt effect the playability of the club unless you are really steep and need the bounce. 5 Testers Needed! These are topics that have been kicked around and that are important in todays market, so articles will most likely be touching on them in the future. What I was hoping from this article was proof for that a current 46* MB/CB PW doesnt go any further than the 47/48* PWs of the past. Offset degrees especially with a long iron can be a factor along with sole design. All Rights Reserved. Forged titanium models are bendable as well due to their softer titanium structure. And visa versa, if the original bounce is low and/or the club has a sharp leading edge, the reduction in bounce may have a significant impact on playability. From my observation of thousands of golfers of all skill levels, far too many are deficient in the fundamentals, starting with the grip, and then to the set-up and only then to the swing motion. I bent them 4 degrees strong to keep my flight down as I hit moon balls with my X700 shafts hardstepped X3 ", Ping G400 Testing G410. Your email address will not be published. Good info to pass along regarding COG. Wedges: Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, SteelFiber i125 S -or-Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; PM Grind 19 58* -or-Wilson Staff PMP 58*, Dynamic S -or- Ram TW282 SW -or- Ram TW276 SW Paste as plain text instead, It depends on several factors including as mentioned above how steep your swing is and if you are a "digger" or "picker". So going 2 strong will remove 2 degrees of bounce. The MB and CB clubs you have need a bit more loft to get the ball launched well. But there is a lot more to it than that. Yes, I'm a club gigolo. Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 How much of static bounce is positive at impact?..we have to start from a static bounce of MORE than the difference to have any, and 31* minus 20.2* = 10.8 static bounce is needed to get ZERO. I use Ping I Blades and Ping have a 'power spec' on their website for these where the lofts can be bent to and still retain playabilty. Should I see any difference in 1 degree stronger irons? The trajectory, depending on your swing, should be flatter. Another reason why stronger lofts dont always mean more distance is something I do frequently to help golfers hit the ball farther weaken lofts. Surely getting consistent results and regular yardage gaps between clubs is more important than shooting for some ideal stats that may go against your natural swing? As you watch PGA or LPGA golf, you will see very little personalization to this basic fundamental. You must log in or register to reply here. I teach golf on the Eastern side of Michigan where I am the Director of Instruction for three golf courses. Guaranteed that if you looked at your ball speed it was dramatically higher. I just purchased a new set of 716MB irons. This puts a 5 iron at 60* and that is way too flat for most people. Sitemap. March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM The industry is run by marketing divisions, who are responsible for stronger lofted irons, in the mistaken belief that lower loft equals more distance.
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